Some thing. That I have.
Yeah, that's all I have to say.
Published on January 29, 2008 By Cedarbird In Religion
Over the years, I have been called a lot of things for being LDS. A cult member, a lunatic, I've been "brainwashed," and more. The one that bothers me is "Non-Christian." Honestly, I can't understand where people get this notion. We believe in Jesus Christ, that he is the Savior of the world, the Son of God etc etc. I'm not going to go into all that because it's been explained time and time again. So let me say this. As far as my meager studies of the Bible go, there is nothing in there to prove that I'm not a Christian.

Acts 11: 26
"And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."
This passage is referring to believers in Christ and his teachings, is it not? Of course, this title was probably meant to be a pejorative given by unbelievers, but the name kind of stuck.

Acts 26:28
"Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian."
We believe Paul to be an Apostle of God...therefore what he preached to Agrippa was Christ's teachings, which we believe in...so Christian?

1 Peter 4:16
"Yet if an man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf."
This is just the only other time the Bible mentions being Christian, but we'll suffer or die for our belief in God and in Jesus.

I don't want to get in an argument, and I know I don't know the Bible as well as many of you, but I really feel hurt when I'm accused of not being a Christian. I believe in the Bible, and in Jesus Christ. There is nothing in the Bible that tells me I'm not one, all the passages that have the word are listed above. I know I might get bashed for saying this things, but I just want to clarify that. Thank you for your time.

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on Jan 29, 2008

I prescribe to no specific church...so no one even calls me brainwashed...except maybe by the evils of science.   I think I ask too many questions to be considered a "real" Christian...I like-a playing the Devil's Advocate.

You feel as if you're a Christian...that's good enough for me.  It's unorthodox, but you've got the basics of any Christian denomination- God, Jesus, stuff like that.

If you were a Scientologist...I might call you brainwashed...those people are nuts!

~Zoo

on Jan 29, 2008
If you were a Scientologist...I might call you brainwashed...those people are nuts!


Poor Katie and Suri...Tom is a kerrazy guy.
on Jan 29, 2008
I don't really understand why Mormons want to be called Christians. Sure, they share many of the same holy books, but they've got extras that 'Christians' don't believe in.

Why not consider your beliefs a new religion rather than trying to say that it's the same as the one yours is built off?

Christians don't call themselves Jews, yet they kept their old Jewish books and just added some more and a new 'prophet', much like Mormons added a new set of books and a new 'prophet' in their faith.

This push towards religious sameness is a bit dull.

You don't have to take the Muslim approach and abandon all the old books if you don't want to, but there's no good reason to claim to be something that doesn't fully describe your faith.

It's like all those 'Christians' who believe in karma and reincarnation. So far as I know there's no name yet for their faith, but that doesn't make them entirely Christian.
on Jan 29, 2008
Tom is a kerrazy guy.


...and that's an understatement.   

~Zoo
on Jan 29, 2008
It's like all those 'Christians' who believe in karma and reincarnation. So far as I know there's no name yet for their faith, but that doesn't make them entirely Christian.


New Age.

~Zoo
on Jan 29, 2008
I don't really understand why Mormons want to be called Christians.


Because being called "non Christian" implies that we don't believe in Christ. It misrepresents everything we believe in and the very premise of our faith. We do, in fact, believe in Jesus Christ, just like I said in my article. That's why we want to be called Christian, because we are.
on Jan 29, 2008
Because being called "non Christian" implies that we don't believe in Christ. It misrepresents everything we believe in and the very premise of our faith. We do, in fact, believe in Jesus Christ, just like I said in my article. That's why we want to be called Christian, because we are.


How about...Christian 2.0 ?



~Zoo
on Jan 29, 2008
I don't really understand why Mormons want to be called Christians.


I don't right care if someone thinks I'm a Christian or not.

I know what I am, and that's all that matters.

Good article, sis. I guess I just don't care as much when people say I'm not a 'Christian'. If being a Christian means you have to believe that God is a schizophrenic, narcissistic ventriloquist, I'm not one.
on Jan 29, 2008
Because being called "non Christian" implies that we don't believe in Christ. It misrepresents everything we believe in and the very premise of our faith. We do, in fact, believe in Jesus Christ, just like I said in my article. That's why we want to be called Christian, because we are.


It's a part of your beliefs, sure, but you also believe in Joseph Smith the prophet, although believe may be too strong a word. His teachings, anyway.

Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet rather than the son of god (a fairly popular belief in the early Christian Church); should they be called Christians too?

Granted, Mormonism is a little newer than Islam, but the sooner you accept the differences with the similarities, the sooner cries of unChristian will lose meaning to you.

Because you're not Christian, not in the way that most would understand it. You're something more - your faith is an evolution of Christianity. Most 'Christian' faiths don't consider Smith to be anything more than a confidence trickster, just like most Jews consider the idea of a divine Jesus to be nothing more than a confidence trickster, but you see more in Smith's teachings than what the majority of 'Christians' would.

Do you see what I'm getting at here?

You'll only consider being called unChristian an insult so long as you continue to labour under the misconception that being called anything else is unacceptable. You may believe in Christ, but it's your other beliefs that set you apart, just like Muslims who believe in the prophet Jesus are set apart from non-divine Christians by their other beliefs.
on Jan 29, 2008
Good piece, Bird.
on Jan 29, 2008

It's like all those 'Christians' who believe in karma and reincarnation. So far as I know there's no name yet for their faith, but that doesn't make them entirely Christian.

That's me.  I'm a new-thought Christian.  It's bigger than christianity - lol. 

on Jan 29, 2008
Cedarbird writes:
The one that bothers me is "Non-Christian." Honestly, I can't understand where people get this notion. We believe in Jesus Christ, that he is the Savior of the world, the Son of God etc etc.


First, isn't it only relatively recently that Mormon's call themselves Christian?

I'm one of those who don't consider members of the Chruch of the LDS as Christians, at least in the true sense of the word. The only reason I'm saying anything about it now is becasue you have written this blog and you say that you can't understand where people get this notion...

So hopefully my explanation will help you understand better...


As I said on the other blog, I think the chief doctrine of Christianity is the doctrine of the Divinity of Jesus Christ, that is, Jesus Christ is God, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity. Christians believe that the Father, the Son,Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost is the one true God.

Mormons believe Jesus Christ is a God and that God the Father is another God. Mormons believe there are many, many gods and Jesus Christ is just one in a long line still going on today. They also believe that any Man, a human, can become a god himself.

Bottom line: Christianity teaches that Jesus is not a God in the sense of one of many. Christ Himself said, "I and the Father are one" and for that the Jews wanted to stone HIm to death.

Does this matter? I think so...and this is where Mormons go off the Christian track.
on Jan 29, 2008
Because you're not Christian, not in the way that most would understand it. You're something more - your faith is an evolution of Christianity. Most 'Christian' faiths don't consider Smith to be anything more than a confidence trickster, just like most Jews consider the idea of a divine Jesus to be nothing more than a confidence trickster, but you see more in Smith's teachings than what the majority of 'Christians' would.


I get what you're saying. I just think that a lot of people label us unChristian because they think we don't believe in the Bible or in Jesus Christ. I was just trying to clarify, but maybe I was mistaken. Oh well, like SC said, I know what I am, think what you want.
on Jan 29, 2008
I think the chief doctrine of Christianity is the doctrine of the Divinity of Jesus Christ, that is, Jesus Christ is God, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity. Christians believe that the Father, the Son,Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost is the one true God.


And that's why I'm fine being labeled a "non-Christian". Who wants to believe that God is some madman who speaks to himself about himself incessantly for no apparent reason all the time?

I thank God every day that he chose to speak to a young boy and restore the truth of the Godhead in the face of the foolishness of the false Trinity.
on Jan 29, 2008
I thank God every day that he chose to speak to a young boy and restore the truth of the Godhead in the face of the foolishness of the false Trinity.


I wish God would talk to someone else right about now to clear up all the foolishness we see in today's society. So many people have lost the true path of their religion, in my opinion.

~Zoo
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